Meet An Elite BlackHat Spammer – GODOVERYOU

Meet An Elite BlackHat Spammer – GODOVERYOU

Today we go behind the scenes with an elite blackhat spammer known as GODOVERYOU.

Some of you may have heard that name before and he used to frequent backlinksforum a lot before it become TrafficPlanet.

For those that haven’t, GODOVERYOU (GOY) has a elite technical knowledge of the inner workings of Google frequently displaying this in some of the best forum posts I had ever read.

He used to have a bit more bite to him then though :P

1) Who are you? How did you get into internet/marketing blogging?

godoveryouWell, I’m known as ‘GODOVERYOU’ or ‘GOY’ on most internet marketing forums but really I’m just your average guy from Cleveland.

I started getting interested in internet marketing when I had to create a website for my own brick-and-mortar business and wanted to gain more exposure and customers via ‘The Internet.’

I started learning about keyword research and backlinking, and at the time I had immediately decided on black hat linking practices. Within my first 2 weeks of marketing, before I even bought a domain name I had bought my first Xrumer license.

Since that very early point in time, I dove into backlinking as my area of focus and expertise as it can benefit greatly from pattern analysis, which is a personal strong-suit of mine. Unfortunately that meant I had to play catch up and learn more about blogging and sales copy in the reverse order that these things normally occur in.

But I love this industry as a business and a hobby. My wife and I are both marketers and I don’t see that changing anytime soon.

2) What niche(s) do you work in & why?

I’m constantly testing new niches, so things are constantly change but historically speaking I have specialized in the penis enlargement and male enhancement niches for some years now.

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I love this niche because it plays into my strong suit. It’s hard to get legitimate white hat links if you work in that niche, but that’s perfect because of my background in black hat linking and link spam.

So the niche’s ‘weak point’ was actually my strong point and I decided to capitalize on it.

Furthermore, it’s easy to sell in this niche. If you can overcome the initial ‘trust barrier’ then you are simply providing observations and answers to this otherwise desperate audience and they will follow your lead most of the time.

But I don’t work in that niche exclusively. I believe it’s important to be involved in evergreen niches when possible and I’ve begun to expand into other niches – diet, skin care and financial services for instance.

With the financial niche and payday loans specifically, Google’s recent changes to that niche intrigue me from a study and analytical point of view. I see opportunity where others see hardship I suppose.

3) Which moment in your internet marketing career are you most proud of?

I have a friend from Puerto Rico who was having a very tough time making ends meet and making a living online.

He didn’t know where to turn or how to go about building links, especially after the collapse of several of the blog networks like ALN.

He was a nice guy and it all started off as me just giving him a little guidance with link spam. He soaked it up like a sponge and performed really well.

I didn’t realize just how well he did until he told me that he had cracked the 5-figure per month barrier in less than a year after starting with him.

Nothing really made me happier than hearing that. This industry is so full of stories and people that struggle to make even $100/day so to hear that he was able to make $10,000 a month in less than a year just by executing on a simple gameplan and set of instructions that I gave him made me very proud as both a marketer and a person.

Watching him do so well from virtually nothing really changed how I look at new comers and consistently reminds me that there is always someone out there working hard to achieve their dreams.

4) What are the biggest problems you’ve faced & how did you overcome them?

Copywriting still remains one my largest on-going problems. I haven’t overcome it fully, but I am handling it in a very mechanical nature.

I will order 10-15 professionally written sales letters for one product and analyse them for co-occurring patterns or ‘devices’ and then pattern match those identified co-occurrences throughout the batch of ordered materials.

What I’m trying to do is identify emotion or trust inducing tricks and how they are combined so that I will have a more complete tool set to work with on my own.

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I know there are all sorts of courses and swap files on this topic, but I learn best through analysis and not through simply reading or repeating something.

Really with any problem someone might face, they can overcome it as long as they understand what they do best and how they learn things most easily. No matter how great learning materials are, if a person isn’t well suited to learn in the manner through which the material is delivered than the benefit from those materials will be largely negated.

I need to break things down into modular sections, figure out how they work and put them back together – then judge the final product. It’s just how I learn and it’s how I tackle every problem in front of me that I care about.

5) What are your top 3 tips for a new internet marketer just starting out

1. – Start looking at forums as a social environment and not so much as ‘the source’ for everything you might want to know. I can’t tell you how many newbies I’ve seen get stuck on some piece of garbage information ‘they heard’ from god knows who in some back alley forum and then proceed to try to build their entire career around these falsehoods.

Generally speaking, the busier the forum is the less likely you should trust what you hear because you will have a lot of equally new contributors on those forums.

2. – Understand that Google see’s most affiliate marketers as a problem in their search results.

Google isn’t the boogey man or Freddy Krueger, but they are an infocentric operation. They want news, opinions, and well researched information.

Typically speaking your 400 word review on the diet pill with the highest paying commission is not what they are looking for. So if you want to develop a web property that will stand the test of time, you’ve got to give Google a little bit of what they want ultimately.

If you give not just Google some value, but your readers as well you will be well ahead of the pack in terms of becoming profitable and enjoying what you do.

3. – Be very careful with anyone that has something to sell you.

If your favorite guru also sells link packages you would best be served to look beyond what they say and do as it may be coloured by what they want – which is your money.

That’s not to say that everyone who sells something is a bad person or a bad marketer. Just the opposite. They are often good people looking to educate their audience.

The problem comes into play with how far you can trust their candor. After all, you are their target customer.

6) How do you decide which topics to write about?

Boy that has been a changing topic for me over the years.

In the past it would purely be centered around keywords. If ‘Red Cat Bell’ was the highest searched phrase, that’s what I would write about.

These days I tend to write more about the questions people may have and how to best address them to build trust. If I can get people to trust my blogs and websites, then they seem more likely to click on the links or buy products from those sites.

I’ll even include a ‘Ask Me’ button on most websites where people can submit their questions directly to me and I’ll write a post or series of posts to answer them.

That’s not to say that I ignore keyword research. just the opposite, I embrace it – but it comes second to providing value or a solution first.

7) How did you drive traffic to your site when you first started?

Spam. No, really…. Spam.

You have to remember, I bought xrumer before I even had a domain up. At that time yahoo’s link explorer was still working so I had free access to link patterns that I could analyze.

If you’ve read this whole interview, then you know I learn best by pulling things apart and putting them back together to understand them. The same process goes for link building.

I pulled apart everyone’s patterns and then duplicated them as closely as possible to determine the results of each individual pattern. So, I did a lot of link spamming. And it worked!

Times are different these days. I don’t even suggest that newbies consider link spamming. I think they should stay as far away from it as possible honestly.

It’s really only for the experienced vets who are already highly successful and can afford to servers and time to play with it.

8) What services/tools do you use to manage/promote your site?

Only what works. That’s all I’m interested in. I don’t get ‘stuck in the mud’ over any tool, not even xrumer.

I don’t have any internal services that I offer – so I examine what’s out on the market and if something performs well, I tell my readers/forum members about it.

I can’t begin to list each and every tool because the list will always be changing. As time goes on, new tools will come out that replace their older variations. Other tools will just completely fall off the map altogether.

My advice would be to check with me and tell me what you would like to do and I’ll be happy to tell you the best way to get there in my opinion.

9) Where can you be found online?

Well, I run an internet marketing forum – SEOSUnite – and we have a great group of experienced and mature marketers.

We talk about everything – white hat, grey hat, black hat, rainbow hat – it doesn’t matter. All that matters is that it works. If there’s a tool or method out there that works for pulling traffic into your site and converting offers, we talk about it.

You’ll occasionally find discounts on software and services there, but the real value is the sense of ‘community’ that we have with each other. Feel free to sign up and join the conversation.

I also plan on doing much more blogging at GODOVERYOU.COM – and that’s something that you should look for in the near future. There will be tutorials, methods and techniques discussed there that you won’t find anywhere else.

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Jafeer H
8.6.2013

That is a one hell of picture around the 7th question

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

Hahaha I pulled all the memes in ^^

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8.6.2013

I like this guy; doesn’t care about the “hat” color, just about getting results. Joining his forum in the morning (too tired to do much today, just leaving myself a post-it note by my monitor :) )

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

Hat colour doesn’t exist. If you build ANY link you violate webmaster guidelines. So if your going to break the rules, break them properly.

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8.6.2013

Good interview but I read this and I smile :
“..3. – Be very careful with anyone that has something to sell you….”

What do this guy want to sell us ? hahahahaha
when a bad boy go to the surface, some new thing will be announced ;-)

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

Actually I’ve been pushing him to build a blog like mine ^^

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GODOVERYOU Reply:

Whacha in the mood to buy? :)

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Mitch Reply:

Yeah great response! :)

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8.6.2013

Thanks, I think I should reg on the forum. Although I’m somewhat good at few marketing methods (primarily FB Ads), SEO is something that I still want to learn to the highest level.

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

We always be learnin’ !

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8.6.2013

Quite good article ! I have to check this forum out !

Thanks Matthew for the article ! I always love reading your articles :)

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

Cheers!

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Dazed
8.6.2013

I really recommend checking out his forum, also some of GOY’s videos on youtube have some great information in there. This guy knows his stuff and always seems willing to help out.

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

Heres the linkage http://www.youtube.com/user/godoveyrou/videos

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8.6.2013

A great read Matt – best bit for me is the link to SEO’s Unite forum :)

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

^^

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8.6.2013

Hey Matt and GOY,

wow, amazing interview and very interesting. This sounds amazing and GOY’s tip on forums and how to use them is pretty valuable.

Guys (and girls), head over to GOY’s blog right now and read the blog post from June 11th. Then go and start to get some traffic immediately. :)

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

Heres the direct link http://www.godoveryou.com/4975-100-days-15-minutes

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8.6.2013

Very Interesting. I’m checking out the forum right now. Thanks for publishing this interview, Matt. Lots of insight from GOY :-)

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

No worrys ^^

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8.6.2013

Interesting interview. Not a lot of info but great intro for the SEOSunite :) – I`m making an account just now.

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

Good luck =D

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8.6.2013

Thanks Matthew for the awesome post, its usually an interview with white hat people but you have provided something different here. Its nice to hear from blackhatters and how they align themselves to ever changing Google.

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

You usually find real blackhats are much more knowledgable because of how hard they push the boundries and are forced to think out of the box

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8.6.2013

Wow. Love the interview. I’ve been a fan of godoveryou back in the day with backlinksforum and before he was gone in traffic planet. Thanks for this interview!

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

Cheers Mike – he’s been hiding away :P

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8.6.2013

hey Matt

congrats for this interview, it’s very eye opening!

Now, I have a few comments and specific q’s for Goy, maybe he will respond…

I like your SEO approach and “never give up” attitude, this is similar to what I’ve learned about the industry many years ago, and I still remind of this everyday…

By the way,
don’t you think that your main niche is ever-green? LOL

I wonder… is your Puerto Rico friend having a blog where he shares his methods and case studies, or he’s 100% underground?

Now, I’m intrigued by your copywriting approach… could you expand on how you identify the patterns from those 10-15 sales letters you order, and are those for one product?

Are you also that analytical with back-links and top 10 SERP competitive rankings?

Also, what blog networks do you recommend as far as SEO tools?

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

I’ll give GOY a nudge to come and reply to comments :)

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8.6.2013

Very great and informative interview! I like where GOY stated that “All that matters is that it works.” And that’s really the bottom line here. People can give you a whole bunch of theories and tell you to do this or do that (or don’t do this and don’t do that), but what it ultimately comes down to is that you’re seeing results from your efforts…because if not it truly sucks! So Test Test Test and try different techniques whether tradition or non-traditional methods in order to find what works for you!

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

Wise words Mark!

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8.6.2013

Hey Matt,

Thank you for this post! Really great stuff and another even greater guy/forum/blog to follow.

It’s cool to hear that there are people who are actually doing some serious money with SEO, aff and whatever they do (besides you of course ;)

On the other note, I would be more happy if he had shared some of his BH tactics… just simple things… but I realize no one is going to out his methods for free?

Anyway, great post and I would love to see more of them.

BTW… Do you do Media Buys or know someone who is successful in it?

P.S sorry for language… still learning.. and love London cockney

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

Jump over to his forum he has a bunch of tutorials!

I’m about to start doing some media buy stuff which will provide new content for future case studies. Landing page is done, just need to setup tracking and do some actual buys :P

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Andrew Reply:

Great stuff,

Can’t wait to see those case studies! I’m starting right now as well (still can’t decide on niche..) hopefully we will share some experiences here…

Thanks!

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

Whatever you choose, make sure you love it :)

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8.6.2013

Thanks for pulling this one out the bag Matt, a great interview.

Must say GOY and Eli are two huge influences in my SEO world.

Im championing a Woodward v Eli v Goy Niche off duel, eat your heart out Flynn.

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

Haha that would be pretty awesome ^^

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8.6.2013

Hey Matt & GODOVERYOU
Great story I am already a member of your forum but was not regular visitor now that I know that much more about it I will visit more god I wish I had been doing this 5-7 years ago from what I have learned it seems google have been the ones that had to do the catching up over the years.

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

It’s a cat and mouse game, and we are the mouse ^^

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8.6.2013

Thanks for doing this interview GOY and thanks Matthew for putting this together. Nice to put some more info behind the voice in your awesome tutorials GOY.

The links pattern analysis video is my recent favorite. Also been meaning to join SEOsUnite for a while now, this just pushed me over the edge.

Thanks fellas!

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

Cheers Jacob!

Hopefully I’ll fly out to meet him in real one day =D

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8.6.2013

Hi, great interview! I have one question, Google is doing a lot of work to prevent people from ranking with spamming, if you compare the level of difficulty to rank 2 years ago and now, how big is the difference?
Regards,
Sammy

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

Nothing has really changed for years, what works a couple years ago still works now. We just have to be slightly more considerate than we used to. Before you could blind spam without risk (bad links didn’t give a negative score) but now you just need to spam with a bit of thought first ^^

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GODOVERYOU Reply:

Hi Sammy,

Life isn’t quite as easy as it was a few years ago.

Typically speaking, link spammers today face a few problems.

(i) Keeping sites ranked for 6-12 months.
(ii) Avoiding various new filters (AKA the ‘Payday Update’)
(iii) If you are highly successful, keeping WH fan boys from reporting you to Google or Matt Cutts directly via twitter as has been done several times now.

So, no I wouldn’t say that life is as easy as it was a few years ago.

However, there is still a lot of room to work if you are willing to dig in and test things.

Fooling the algo isn’t a huge problem, even to this day. Sure it’s tougher, but it’s certainly something just about anyone could do.

Thanks,
GOY

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YoYoWhatsUp
8.6.2013

Most Black Hat Guys Newer Tell what You Are Really Wishing For :(

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

What is it you want to know?

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Neil Reply:

He clearly doesn’t just spam forum link blasts all day. Not looking for a method or anything but a little “method to the madness” would be cool to read about.

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

Head over to GOY’s forum – thats his playground :)

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Andrewkar Reply:

Hi Matt,

I would like to know how they pass that juice from spam comments and profiles to the moneysite without getting slapped? How many tiers it involves? What kind for properties they use? I have some small success with spamming 301 but besides that have no idea how to make it work properly. Thanks!

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

Hi,

You can build out a decent set of tier 1 links then you use things like that to pass the juice – if in the future you do get slapped (we never know what Google will do next) you would just have to remove the tier 1 links.

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Andrewk Reply:

Thanks for the replay!
I will need to figure this out via tests and burning a few more sites I guess…

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

Thats the right mindset to take. Trust me you will learn more building a site and doing everything in your power to get in penalised/deindexed then you will anywhere else!

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8.6.2013

I demand that “Rainbow hat” be a new commonly used term in IM. That properly cracked me up :D

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

Haha yeah I agree!

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8.6.2013

Interesting article it’s good to hear from the darker side of seo hehe.

The tips are so true there is so many forums and sites pushing the next push button amazon or pinterest money making machine.

Going to check out the forum and blog as always good to feed my brain with more information.

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

Thanks Mark!

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8.6.2013

Wow, what a unique and interesting interview. This is the first interview I’ve read of a black hat SEO’er. How cool you are to actually get an interview with one. :)

Thanks for sharing this with us, Matt. It was both informative and entertaining. :)

Ti

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

Cheers Ti =D

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8.6.2013

After reading that he is a black hat link spam guy, I though he would give a little feedback or advice on the current trend of link building or at least how to go about it. He only spoke about general stuff.

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

Jump over to GOY’s forum – he is overly helpful!

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8.6.2013

I liked this post along with those totally funny images. I want to ask GODOVERYOU about his techniques of link building on this present day.

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

Hit up his forum!

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8.6.2013

What kind of linkbuilding tactics/strategies does he use?

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

Head over to his forum/blog ^^

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GODOVERYOU Reply:

The forum has a lot of them on it and should give you a good idea of what to look for.

Thanks,
GOY

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8.7.2013

Nice article GODOVERYOU, Matt thanks for getting him to write. I know it must not have been very easy.

Something I am noticing in my experience too is that copy writing is a true challenge for every SEO in the industry right now. At many companies, the copy writers are the limiting step in the process and these guys are getting overworked and most of the time they still can’t meet demands and the work is getting sent out to vendors who simply suck.

Matt how much would you pay for a solid piece of content (500 words, well researched, with solid structure, good transitions, good focus, good marketing conventions if required)?

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

Hi,

Yes the copywriting thing is an issue for many – im lucky in the fact that when I was younger I enjoyed writing and wanted to be a journalist so sort of progressed those skills natrually.

For a piece of content like that, I would pay around $20-$30.

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GODOVERYOU Reply:

Lucky You… :)

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8.7.2013

Great interview, going to head on over and take a look at the forum. Must say Matt, I’m always coming back here as you always have a great post :) keep them rolling ;).

Cheers

Chris

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

Cheers Chris!

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dias
8.7.2013

hi matt
thanks for this interview,you know this is one of the missing lessons in your beautiful set of tutorials.
we are really looking forward to see it soon on your youtube channel

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

Which lesson?

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dias
8.8.2013

a tutorial about the perfect way to use xrummer if it apeals to you of course.
cheers

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

Like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWT4mA1WabQ ?

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GODOVERYOU Reply:

Hi dias,

I’ve produced hours of content over the years about how to use xrumer.

With that having been said, there is no ‘one right way.’

Because of Xrumer’s inherent flexibility there is no single workflow that will create ‘push button’ SEO success.

Once you learn the basics – forum posting, guestbooks, etc. people typically progress in one of two areas.

Forum penetration with ‘AntiSpam’ or mod creation. It’s uncommon for people to do both.

Ultimately with tools like GSA available, it is probably the better bet to investigate the ‘AntiSpam’ function and really learn how to use it well and generate the best replies possible. It’s automated, so you don’t have full control over it – but you do have some control.

Whatever you do, don’t use it behind proxies unless they are dedicated private proxies. Even then, proxy work should be reserved purely for maximum forum penetration with AntiSpam.

And I tell everyone the same thing. Get 30-50 domains to just throw away while you are learning what to do. It’s not something you are going to get right the first time, no matter how good or detailed your instruction is.

Take it easy,
GOY

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8.9.2013

Matt, we need more interviewes with Rainbow hatters!! Thanks for introduce with GOY. Watched his video.. he seem like very helpful guy.. and subscribe too and hope will get many videos lessons from him.

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

Thanks =D

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8.10.2013

Cheers Matt, great interview. The pics are hilarious :)

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

Thanks Mike!

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8.12.2013

Awesome inteview Matt. Although GOY is admittedly a blackhat spammer, seems that he’s got some of the core values of white hat which is to focus on providing value to the users.

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

Well its no good having rankings if that traffic doesn’t convert into cash – and value certainly helps with that on the front end ^^

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GODOVERYOU Reply:

Just like Matt pointed out, you have to get traffic to convert and that can mean a lot of things.

For example: If you have a simple Email/ZIP Submit CPA offer there isn’t always the need for a ‘value add’ to make that profitable.

If you have a lead generation based offer, like payday offers typically you just need to look completely legit and provide the user with a smooth route towards filling the forms that pay you. In other words no ‘value add,’ they already know what they want.

If you have a low price point product, you may need a little information and only a ‘slight’ ‘value add.’

But on the other if you have a high priced product, products that produce commissions of $100+ and with price points in the $200-$400 range, you’re probably going to have to do a little more work and add some significant value to your landing page or domain.

My point is that I separate the concepts of link spamming or BH SEO from something like ‘value adding.’

Value adding is done purely on the basis of the conversion goals and objective of the website and I don’t feel it detracts from the BH SEO at all but rather used in conjunction with it.

-=-=- However -=-=-

Just because I believe in the concept of ‘value adding’ doesn’t mean that it’s the only way I carve out a living.

Diversification is critical in this industry. If you are purely BH, then you are leaving yourself very exposed by things like future updates and even something as simple as a syntax or spintax error.

The same goes if you are purely WH. If Google doesn’t do their job your 2,000 page authority site might not mean anything in the face of every link spammer sucking up all of the traffic for your keywords.

Because of that, I try to ride the middle with some sites on either extreme.

I monetize via many different models because of that uncertainty and really suggests that anyone at least consider it.

Don’t get me wrong, you can earn a ton of money with just BH techniques like cookie stuffing or using cloaked traffic to simple submits on optimized landing pages.

I just don’t think it’s wise to stuff all of your hope and dreams into one methodology.

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8.12.2013

Matthew, what plugin do you use for the “Subscribe to my award winning blog now”?I want to use it too :).

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

http://wordpress.org/plugins/q2w3-fixed-widget/ with some custom HTML/CSS

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8.13.2013

This GOY is really awesome, starting from the scratch to the epic! Wonderful, a friend in need is a friend indeed, kudos to his learn-able friend who really made him proud of him today.

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

He literally eats and shits SEO knowledge ^^

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Hudson
8.18.2013

Godoveryou rules :) Simple, doesnt care, focuses on results, a do(er) not a talk(er)

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

Werd. ^^

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GODOVERYOU Reply:

Hey,

Thanks for that. We are all in it for the same reason (for the most part.) Use what is profitable and cast the rest aside. ;)

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8.18.2013

Hey Matt,
Some of the tools that GOY uses seem pretty cool. What do you think of content foundry and Rankwyz? Espicialy when compared to tools like the best spinner and link demon.

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

Hi,

I haven’t used them so can’t comment =\

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GODOVERYOU Reply:

Just let me know if you have any more specific questions about them and I’ll be happy to answer for you.

But in a quick summary – RankWYZ is be far the most ‘industrial’ tool for manipulating blog networks. It’s not perfect and has a few little annoying bugs, but for the most part it’s perfect for mass manipulation of blog posts.

I also use it to run self hosted wordpress splogs and I’m extremely happy with the results. You can use these self hosted sites for anything from indexing to linking.

As far as Content Foundry, it is the only tool that I know of that will soon be able to produce UNIQUE & HUMAN READABLE content. See: http://seosunite.com/f2/big-update-human-readable-content-tap-pdf-scrapping-2263/

Like I said if you have more question, just let m know.

GOY

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9.8.2013

So using services like Unique Article Wizard is out of the question? There is a company called layered-links who are supposed to be great for link building on niche websites. Majority white hat stuff… You have to use some sort of tool or service, the question is which one!

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

I don’t have experience with either to provide solid advice, can you explain things further? Perhaps GOY can jump in

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9.13.2013

Very nice interview. I am a member at GOY forum and I like it. Even though the forum is not as big as Warriorforum or Blackhatworld where I usually hang out, there is a good atmosphere and interaction among members of this forum. I have started frequenting it more.

I have also got a few orders from that forum where I advertise my linkbuilding services.

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

Yeah its a nice lil forum, going to have to be more active over there!

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1.15.2014

Hey,

great post! I would love to read more link building tutorials, maybe even something blackhat?…

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

Hi,

Just take a look around the blog there are plenty!

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1.23.2014

I think, SeosUnite forum is fake.

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Matthew Woodward Reply:

Definitely counterfeit

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Andrew Reply:

It’s very clever, I do like it. :D

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