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Its the ultimate forum showdown! BlackHatWorld vs TrafficPlanet vs WarriorForum!

Since I launched the site I have engaged my audience directly by posting on these 3 forums.

They have sent me a bunch of traffic this year so I wanted to see which one was best!

The results of the previous JohnChow.com vs SearchEngineJournal.com battle were pretty interesting.

But which is the best internet marketing & blackhat forum for traffic & conversions?

BlackHatWorld vs TrafficPlanet vs WarriorForum

To find out which is the best internet marketing forum I’m going to run them through a series of tests to determine which one offers the most bang for buck in terms of traffic and conversion.

Blackhatworld vs TrafficPlanet vs WarriorForum - Which Is The Best Blackhat Forum?

All 3 internet marketing forums operate in similar but slightly different niches, so it will be interesting to see how each audience responds to the site.

  1. WarriorForum – Users tend to be closer to the newbie end of the scale.
  2. Black Hat World – The blackhat forum users tend to graduate to after WarriorForum.
  3. TrafficPlanet – A much smaller community where everyone knows everyone.

Traffic & Engagement

Let’s start with traffic & engagement.

A simple test, which internet marketing forum offers the best pages/visit, average visit duration and bounce rate?

Site Visits Pages/visit Visit Duration % New Visits Bounce Rate
BlackHatworld 6,875 2.69 05:26 43.52% 48.32%
TrafficPlanet 3,693 2.74 06:14 29.65% 45.95%
WarriorForum 3,965 2.84 06:40 48.93% 46.61%

This makes for some interesting observations!

First of all it is clear that traffic from WarriorForum is more engaged than anywhere else. They visit more pages and stick around for longer!

While people from BlackHatWorld tend to stick around for over a minute less visiting the least amount of pages.

TrafficPlanet sits in the happy medium but only sends 29.65% new visitors.

This is because it’s a smaller tightly knit community I’m deeply engaged in – nice to know they still want to hear what I have to say though =D

Goal Conversion

So now we know how engaged the traffic is with the blog, but what about conversion?

Things like email subscriptions, affiliate clicks or resource downloads which require a social share.

Well luckily I have all the data for that ready to rock!

Site Goal Conversion Email Subscription Affilaite Click Resource Download
BlackHatworld 15.07% 0.76% 8.10% 1.99%
TrafficPlanet 13.24% 0.95% 6.77% 1.44%
WarriorForum 14.55% 1.34% 8.17% 1.11%

Percentages are all well & good but let’s take a look at how they actually translates into numbers-

Site Goal Conversions Email Subscriptions Affilaite Clicks Resource Downloads
BlackHatworld 746 52 557 137
TrafficPlanet 338 35 250 53
WarriorForum 421 53 324 44

What is worth noting is they all offer similar overall goal conversion rates of 13.24%-15.07%.

But how this breaks down is interesting.

People coming from BlackHatWorld (which is truly the best blackhat forum) tend to click on a lot of affiliate links & love getting the free resources which require a social share, but don’t tend to opt in.

Whilst people coming from WarriorForum also like to click affiliate links but are more likely to subscribe via email than download the free resources.

There is a key difference in behaviour here.

I believe this is due to people coming from WarriorForum are pre-conditioned to ‘opt in’ to things to get freebies via the WSO forum.

Whereas people coming from BlackHatWorld are used to getting direct links to free things with no opt-in, they have a dedicated forum for it!

So naturally WarriorForum traffic is looking for the opt in and BlackHatWorld traffic is looking for the download link.

TrafficPlanet cruises at a happy medium where it is much more laid back without the incentive to opt in to get things or grab freebies.

Time Invested vs Visits & Conversions

The last thing I want to take a look at is how much time was invested to generate the traffic & conversions from each internet marketing forum.

To do that I’m going to look at the total number of posts made on each forum over the same time period-

Site # Of Posts Visits Per Post Email Subs Per Post Aff Clicks Per Post Resource D/Ls Per Post
BlackHatworld 398 17 0.13 1.40 0.34
TrafficPlanet 406 9 0.09 0.62 0.34
WarriorForum 189 21 0.28 1.71 0.23

When we look at the number of posts made compared to what they actually generated things get pretty awkward.

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I’ve made my thoughts clear about how the admins run the WarriorForum, so having them provide the best performing traffic isn’t ideal :P

It is by far the best ‘value’ traffic though offering more visits, subscribers & affiliate clicks per post than any other – by quite a margin!

BlackHatWorld slides into second delivering slightly less traffic and affiliate clicks but a huge drop off in email subscriptions per post.

I actually have dedicated threads for my tutorials on BlackHatWorld that have had around 50,000 views in total compared to WarriorForum where they delete my threads and I just use a signature.

Even with those chips down – WarriorForum still seems to offer the best bang for buck!

TrafficPlanet is the worst performing all round but on the whole is a much much smaller forum with a tightly knitted community where everyone knows each other.

A local place for local people type thing ^^

Wrapping It Up

There are a few key observations here specifically between how BlackHatWorld & WarriorForum traffic behaves once it hits the site.

First of all there is what I mentioned earlier about BlackHatWorld users used to getting things free via direct links whereas WarriorFourm traffic is preconditioned to the opt in first then get freebie nature of the WSO forum.

The other big observation is that WarriorForum offered more visitors and conversions per post than any other forum.

This is specifically interesting because on WarriorForum I just use signature links whereas on BlackHatWorld I have dedicated posts for my tutorials with ~50k views.

You would expect BlackHatWorld to at least send more visits per post on that basis, but that isn’t the case.

I think there are 2 reasons behind this-

  1. WarriorForum generally has fresher inexperienced minds that are looking to learn
  2. Those looking to learn on WarriorForum often get scammed out of money/the opt in for low quality products
  3. BlackHatWorld is where people usually end up after getting fed up of the WarriorForum

So when a WarriorForum user hits my site they not only want to learn but are probably amazed at the value that is getting delivered to them upfront with no bullshit.

They are preconditioned to low quality products/flakey information due to the sheer volume of spammy WSO’s made by inexperienced pretenders.

Whereas the BlackHatWorld user has broken free of that and is well on their way to making money – a slightly more experienced user.

TrafficPlanet users tend to be more experienced/knowledgeable and it’s a much smaller community.

These guys are switched onto all of the tricks of the trade which and have become conditioned to ignore signature links & signing up for things due to past experiences on other forums.

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What do you think? Have I jumped to the wrong conclusions?

Screenshots of the data in analytics are available here & here.

178 Responses

  1. MixerDJ
    7.12.2013

    Blackhatworld is the best for me :)

    • July 12th, 2013 at 3:59 pm

      One of my favourites as well :)

    • March 20th, 2014 at 4:03 am

      :( I respect the freedom, I do not respect the disrespect…
      BHW is great in concept, but in reality there are a lot of screwed up thugs just looking for what they despise and do not want to work for… money

      I’d much rather gather with Anonymous…

      Come on BH…. you once stood for something that mattered
      Now it has come down to economics? bahhh!
      You are better than that….

      • March 20th, 2014 at 7:34 am

        “in reality there are a lot of screwed up thugs just looking for what they despise and do not want to work for… money”

        Welcome to the real world :)

  2. MixerDJ
    7.12.2013

    WarriorForum is good if you have thousand of $$$$ you can spend all of them for s***** fake scam methods.

    • July 12th, 2013 at 3:59 pm

      Haha very true ^^

    • Jorge
      July 13th, 2013 at 2:23 am

      WarriorForum is good if you want to make thousands of $$$$ by scamming innocent newbies and people with a “OBSD” problem (Obsessing Buying Sh*t Disorder)

      LONG LIVE to BlackHatWorld and TrafficPlanet and Matthew Woodward’s forums!!!

      • July 15th, 2013 at 7:49 am

        Hi,

        Actually its called ODBD – obssesive dream buying disorder.

        People buy dreams ^^

        • August 4th, 2013 at 3:19 pm

          I like that term. haha ^^

      • Damnit
        March 20th, 2014 at 4:13 am

        You go t** wrong, it is not if you want to spend thousands, but if they want to do so… what’s the problem in that?

        • March 20th, 2014 at 7:33 am

          It’s a bit like trying to buy some cannabis and getting mix herbs. Thats the problem with most WSO’s

  3. 7.12.2013

    Love this post. I recently launched a product and submitted a WSO on warrior forum for this product and after two days, it still was not live so I messaged their support and it took them three days to respond to that ticket and just told me that they decided to not allow the WSO. I then replied back asking them the reason and their only response was “Just accept our decision” lol
    I think after paying almost $40 for access to the WSO I have a right to know why a legitimate product is nopt allowed, but nope! No reply.

    BHW, on the other hand, embraced my posts just as you mention they do with yours. But I think your take is right on.

    • July 15th, 2013 at 11:27 am

      Hi,

      Did you get a refund?

      • January 1st, 2014 at 10:36 pm

        No I did not get a refund.

        • January 2nd, 2014 at 12:15 pm

          Thats a shame, I take it you didn’t do a chargeback via paypal/debit card/credit card?

  4. 7.12.2013

    This is awesome, Matt! You track a lot of stuff, sometimes confusing to me. Lol I think you’re spot on with your observations, though.

    • July 15th, 2013 at 8:04 am

      Hahaha hopefully I break it down in a way that makes sense though :)

  5. Dolly
    7.12.2013

    Nice battle royale you have here. I think basically if you want to sell something go to Warrior Forum and if you want to learn something go to BlackHat World. Ahhh but what about Wickedfire? If you can get past the surly trolls over there there are some good resources, just not a friendly crowd.

    Excellent as always, great post!

    • July 15th, 2013 at 8:01 am

      Hahah thats a nice break down of it.

      I’m perma banned from wickedfire unfortunately :P

      • Lova-BH-now
        April 18th, 2015 at 2:20 pm

        Hi Matthew. You’re banned there? Then what? You just make a new profile, use a proxy, do some BH magic, and you’re back :) Can the Ban really stop you from getting back in? I doubt so.

        I used to be White hat believer, feared the Black hat side, until recently, NOW I’m switching totally to BLACK HAT!!

        Lost so much money trying to make it by the rules of white hat disneyland. While Black Hat people rake it all behind the scenes.

        NOW I WANT MY BH SHARE! S**** White hat and WSO BS’s :) :)

        Regards.

  6. 7.12.2013

    I’m a BlackHatWorld person myself.

  7. 7.12.2013

    Nice! I like the way you show the date.And I Just started using traffic planet as a source of traffic. But I find that blackhatworld drive the must long term traffic. even though I got banned recently I am still get 69 vist per from blackhatworld post and threads!

  8. 7.12.2013

    Interesting! Though not surprising that WarriorForum sends more visitors, I believe (correct me if I’m wrong) it is by far the most visited forum of the three!

    Sad to see TrafficPlanet ranking low, since in my opinion it’s the highest quality of the three, but as you pointed out, it makes sense that they are less likely to click affiliate links and signup forms.

    If people tend to “Graduate” to BHW after WF, then I would say people Graduate to TrafficPlanet after BHW. I find people, on average, much more knowledgeable (and gravitating to less BS, and more white hat) on TrafficPlanet.

    • July 15th, 2013 at 8:00 am

      Hi,

      Yes it is the biggest IM forum although they are walking a tight rope at the moment I think.

      TP is not even comparable in size to WF really, its minute in comparison.

  9. 7.12.2013

    I wasted 3 months of my life reading warrior forum. Absolute rubbish forum. Blackhatworld is where its at.

    • July 15th, 2013 at 7:56 am

      There is some good stuff to learn there, if you can catch it before they delete it anyway lol

      • February 26th, 2015 at 7:15 am

        LOL – This is the main problem I had with WarriorForum – I’ve spent many an hour writing detailed and informative, factual posts with examples and the works, and deliberatley didn’t have a signature active – and yet still; my posts get deleted.

        Which, from the point of view of a forum user – is crazy. Why do they delete my posts which are hugely beneficial to the new and not-so-new users there?

        To me it would appear that:
        1) WF is well aware of the scamming problem they have.
        2) WF profits from some members scamming other members.
        3) WF protects the scammers in order to protect thier profits, and to h*** with the rest of us.
        4) If anybody speaks out against a scammer they get banned themselves, instead of the scammer?!

        Interesting and hugely profitable business model.

        Well, until somebody comes looking for you for serving and protecting the scammers that stole thier life savings.

        But when that happens – I pray victory for the victims.

  10. Nice write up Matthew! I can recall those days when I purchased countless s*** stuffs from WF :( I also tried to put up a thread on WSO Test. They removed it immediately and never got back to my follow up queries! My suggestion to the newbies ..Stay MILES AWAY FROM WF ..

  11. Take blackhatworld teachings and apply them in a whitehat way :)

    Blackhat has quality content, but more importantly; they don’t delete negative reviews. I’ll take the dirty truth over the “clean” lies of Warrior Forum *any day*

    • July 15th, 2013 at 7:55 am

      A very good point and that is the main issue, removing genuine negative reviews.

      Granted there are still fake positive reviews but they quickly become irrelevant once a few users share the same feedback.

  12. Nev
    7.12.2013

    nice post Matt.

    I think that once people graduate past the newbie stage they tend to find the high value lower user communities which are more focused like on here :)

    My very first IM forum experience yrs back was digitalpoint.

    Is it as popular as a few yrs back, is it a place that any of you guys frequent, or is it still a noisy place full of contradictory inflammatory c***?

    • July 15th, 2013 at 7:55 am

      Hi Nev,

      Do you consider my blog a community?

      Haha I’m banned from digitalpoint :P

      • Lova-BH-now
        April 18th, 2015 at 2:25 pm

        Lol! You should take a proxy, do your BH magic with your tools, then be back there again. I can’t imagine you not being able to go back in, if you wanted.

        The truth is, you don’t care nor want to go back there, do you ;)

  13. 7.12.2013

    LOL….

    S

  14. sagbee
    7.12.2013

    No Not at all, How about your forums :P matt!!

    What do you think, which level you will brought him up?

    • July 15th, 2013 at 7:54 am

      Hahaha hadn’t thought about mine, mine are just to help readers easily really rather than build a massive community

  15. 7.12.2013

    LOL….

    So true.

    1. WarriorForum

    Ended up here as a green eyed noob 4 years ago, was amazed at the info on offer and especially taken in by the info given by the cross dresser alexa smith(Tim Nagley). 1 year later, realised that free speech is routinely suppressed, real reviews on WSO’s are deleted and scammers continue to thrive, protected by the idiots they call MODs. This is all to protect the cash cow that is the WSO section.

    My advice, stay away from this place………seriously!

    2. Blackhatworld

    graduated here, after realising what a s*** hole the WF is and that most of the so called resident GURUS haven’t a clue about making money. Most people here are making money, though you do still get the odd noob asking silly questions.

    3.TP

    Don’t go here much but on Terry’s list.

    But yeah, generally the WF is a place of 2 halves consisting of the fresh face noobs just starting out and looking to learn and the scammers that reside in the WSO section who make money online by peddling s***** products on how to make money online, ironic hey?!

    There are some good ethical guys on the WF, but to be honest I can count them on one hand.

    Also, stay away from that delusional fool that goes by the name Alexa Smith. She is really a He. This person has some serious gender issues, posting everyday on the WF up to 20 times a day but yet claims to be a affiliate marketer as well as a FX trader. You can read more about he/she on the antiwarrior or the warriorforumsucks.

    • July 15th, 2013 at 7:59 am

      Hi,

      Thanks for your detailed feedback – good to see my observations are shared :)

  16. 7.12.2013

    Nice little analysis. I’m only frequent on BlackHatWorld. Barely give the other two a glance aside from the odd search query.

    From my own built knowledge I do agree and think your conclusions are correct. Maybe I’ll look to involve myself with the other two a little more and study comparitively myself.

  17. 7.12.2013

    This analysis is great and very encouraging to participate in forum for huge traffic

  18. 7.12.2013

    The warrior forum is so full of misinformation from newbies its almost dangerous to go there.

    • July 15th, 2013 at 7:53 am

      Yeah I do see a lot of ‘wrong’ advice given but thats not unique to warriorforum, there are some very knowledgeable guys over there though.

  19. 7.12.2013

    Wickedfire trounces all newb forums.

    • July 15th, 2013 at 7:52 am

      Hi,

      Probably but I wouldn’t know – my account is perma banned :)

      • January 1st, 2014 at 10:35 pm

        What did your account get banned for? lol

        • January 2nd, 2014 at 12:16 pm

          I have no idea =\

          • Renrag
            April 8th, 2014 at 5:48 am

            I got banned from Wickedfire in 2010 for asking “how do you make $20,000 dollars a week.

          • April 8th, 2014 at 6:20 am

            Well, that is a silly question!

          • January 14th, 2015 at 7:47 am

            I got perma banned in wicked fire after posting my bhw screenshot.

  20. 7.12.2013

    BHW was my first choice, but a lot of bad things going on in there right now. 80% of new posts are in The Lounge, , too many low quality services and so on. Hope they fix these issues otherwise they will turn in a place far worse than WF.

  21. Manuel
    7.12.2013

    I like Traffic Planet better than the Warrior Forum because as a service buyer, I think I can complain about bad service easily with Terry Kyle than Allen Says or to any moderator members at WF. BlackhatWorld? I am a member of a better forum than BHW, but I’m not telling where that is.

    Thanks for the tutorial on Tiered linkbuilding, I was able to refresh myself on tiered SEO. I’ve been away from practicing SEO for quite sometime.

    • July 15th, 2013 at 11:26 am

      Hi,

      Yes that is very true, seen a lot of services die because of feedback on TP.

      Is that forum http://bhseos.com/forum.php by any chance?

    • sagbeec
      July 15th, 2013 at 11:53 am

      humm I hope you weren’t talking abt that DP forums either ? beside whats the point to make a secret for with alike people ?

      • July 15th, 2013 at 3:56 pm

        I have no idea what you said :)

        • sagbee
          July 15th, 2013 at 4:25 pm

          I thought Manuel was talking about Digital Point forums.

          • July 16th, 2013 at 7:57 am

            Ooooh I see – I can’t say I’m a fan of digital point :P

  22. 7.12.2013

    what the h*** Matt?? i wrote all that and you deleted my post?

  23. 7.12.2013

    darn, you guys… i may have been one of those who spent $$$$.. =( Thanks matt for this review!

  24. ubotbuddy
    7.13.2013

    I liked your article BUT you left off a VERY important gauge.

    Honesty. TONS of dishonest people in the world but I think they congregate at WF and BHW.

    In particular BHW. So when my source code package gets posted on their site in retaliation for an axe to grind with the software company I have to draw the line. That one act had a direct impact on my income and I wasn’t even in the fight.

    So I only want to be a part of honest sites. So far,I have not seen any vultures or wolves around the TrafficPlanet. They are probably there but I have not seen them nor do I want any interaction with them.

    Sorry, did not mean to deviate. TP is my goto forum now!

    Buddy

    • July 15th, 2013 at 7:50 am

      Hi,

      Well there is that side of it. I don’t quite follow your issue with the axe to grind example thoguh sorry lol

      Rich does a good job of maintaining TP’s integrity!

  25. 7.13.2013

    Good observation Matt. In my early days learning SEO, I didn’t know which direction to go and ended up spent some bucks buying some “not very useful” stuffs on WF. Now they sat on my “museum” folder.

    Now, I stick with BHW (plus reading your newsletter and reviews, of course!). GSA forum is also very useful and we also tend to know each other (are you still looking to make SER tutorial?).

    I looked at TP sometimes but feel like their contents are not very rich. I maybe wrong though.

    My best.

    • July 15th, 2013 at 7:48 am

      Hi,

      Hahaha even I buy the odd WSO now and then still, but mostly if its a plugin that does something sweet rather than an ebook type job.

      Not been over to the GSA forum, whats the URL?

      TP have some very knowledgeable guys, the lead admin (_richard) is an absolute legend for the effort he puts in there!

  26. 7.13.2013

    I found your site through BHW a few months ago. (and I opted in I might add ;)

  27. brendan
    7.13.2013

    I have spent time on warrior forum but was wary of blackhat cause it appeared underground to is impressive.

  28. 7.13.2013

    Hello Matthew! Your ‘Advanced Article Spinning Techniques With The Best Spinner ‘ Youtube video brought me here! Thank you for the awesome tutorial!

  29. 7.13.2013

    Obviously i am in a completely different niche to yourself, but i think it shows the depth you go to and maybe i should go to. I have a website that is giving me three or four times the hits of any other sites, yet the conversion for that site is awful compared to some of the others.

    So i need to focus more on the higher conversion one’s whilst allowing the other one just to simmer off slowly. However surely there becomes a point of saturation? Where on the better converting one’s you have reached nearly everyone you can?

    Maybe not for your niche, but for mine definately!

    • July 15th, 2013 at 7:46 am

      Hi,

      Well every niche has a ceiling limit but you also have to consider there are always more people coming into most niches, whether thats internet marketing or gardening there will always be people following a newly found interest in life.

      I believe your focus should be getting people on a list because you know anyone that plays that game, will probably play the next one. You can also assume other things about them that transcend niches, eg I guarantee they all play fifa as well ;)

  30. 7.14.2013

    These are my favourite posts on your site, Matthew.

    Keep the ‘showdown’ posts coming!

  31. 7.14.2013

    I have a theory on this and that is that it’s easier to market to newbies in your niche which is largely what WF is filled with. Newbies are just hungry for information (that’s also why they are opt’ing in).

    The more senior/seasoned/established a person is the less likely they are to need your expertise.

    Ex – newbie to weight loss – buy diet pills, buy ab belts, ebooks, real books, gym memberships etc…

    Ex – newbies to IM – need hosting, auto responders, wordpress plugins, SEO software, affiliate training

    Now what can you really market to someone who is super fit or doing well in IM? Sure – there are things you can sell but those guys are not always as hungry for information.

    Take me for example – love your content – and sure I’d buy something from you but I already have a blog network, VPS, link building software…..

    Imagine how much $$ you would have made off me if I didn’t have that stuff (and I came from Traffic Planet :-) – and yeah I opted in).

    • July 15th, 2013 at 7:36 am

      Hi Vikram,

      Very interesting point of view – however I do believe that no one ever becomes an expert and can’t learn something off someone else. But your right, it is harder to reach these types of people.

      Thats why it is important to produce content that caters to those different ‘types’ of audience :)

      Plus its not all about the money, your on my list, you create user generated content and you’ve probably made a couple of social shares. I’m more than happy with that!

  32. 7.14.2013

    BHW is the best! I also found your site from BHW through your link building guides :)

  33. 7.17.2013

    Great comparison and a very accurate account of these Forums! I love TP too because of its targeted nature – those who are truly interested in driving traffic and SEO will not miss a single post.

    Personally, I find Matthew’s(may I call you Matt) wonderful tutorials and posts that add so much value, the best on TP.

    WF – Well you use WF only if you would like to higher quality opt-ins and/or you want to sell WSOs. I know of people who have several accounts on WF and make a great living selling WSOs from each account!

    BHW – Some good threads there and genuine follow-ons with no fluff. If you follow those threads you can really use them to your benefit by learning from their mistakes, asking questions and gaining so much insight into journeys of fellow members.

    2 other Forums I visit are Wickedfire and Digitalpoint but my visits are now far and few. It’s difficult to participate in Wickedfire because it gets pulled off-topic easily and the mods do not seem to be interested in bringing back threads that get derailed by perverted young boys who are wasting their time and parents’ money by throwing in hundreds of ridiculous posts into a community filled with like-minded boys instead of studying for school or doing their homework. You can tell who they are by their style and language. A few serious members whose good inputs outshine everything else mind their own business and stay neutral in the mayhem.

    DP has gone downhill mainly due to lethargic mods who watched it go down the drain a couple years back. If they had pulled it together at that time it would have still been amongst the top few IM forums. But alas, even though they revamped the site’s design the content remains the same. Their Buy/Sell section is a garbage dump. If I was the admin there I would have shut down the Buy/Sell section at least because that is one of the reasons that breeds the “spam”.

    Lastly if you’re into CPA don’t forget CPA Fix which is full of threads that pertain to paid traffic and how you can make money form PPC, PPV and Media Buying.

    • July 22nd, 2013 at 8:27 am

      Hi,

      Thanks for your kind words.

      I’m banned from wickedfire and digital point though :P

      What is interesting is if you bash each forum in alexa or compete!

      Never heard of CPA fix though, might get involved there want to explore some things like that soon :P

  34. 8.2.2013

    Hey Matthew,

    Nice write up. Very detailed and thank you for sharing this article with all of us.

    Reginald

  35. Syed Hussain
    9.14.2013

    I am loving BHW. While I have been a member of Warrior forum from many years, and it was one of the first forums (besides DigitalPoint) which I used to frequent when I was a total newbie, I am beginning to love BHW as there are lot of people over there and many of them seem to be making good amount of money and have better knowledge than at other forums.

    Another forum whose members I find to be knowledgeable and smart is Wickedfire members. I feel that on Warriorforum, the so-called gurus who keep launching WSO after WSO are making money at newbie’s expense. This is very bad, a thing which I have come to hate about the forum though I have learned a lot too specially during my initial years in IM.

  36. 10.3.2013

    Matt, why’d you get banned?

  37. 10.25.2013

    I think more than anything else, its the no-nonsense attitude of guys at BHW that attracts the burnt WSO buyers!

    I mean the WF is so much more censored than the other two.

    • October 25th, 2013 at 7:57 am

      WF is censored beyond recognition – its amazing how many genuine negative reviews get deleted on WSO’s

  38. julian watenya
    10.25.2013

    I find blackhatworld to be more diverse in topics…. it’s waaaay more interesting

    • October 25th, 2013 at 7:58 am

      Certainly a broader range of conversation going on!

  39. 11.1.2013

    My point of view on those forums, doesn’t matter their names and doesn’t matter what they really offer.

    WF: A place you end up because you heard that someone is really giving away a secret formula to become a millionnaire in 60 days and just asking $27 for it… indeed 100 000 fall into this, he can be millionnaire in 60 days
    Even on rent a warrior, 7 times I asked some of them is they were free to work as I had things to do, no answer whatsoever, seems that you even have to pay to get an answer.

    BHW: been there, registered, posted a few topics about general stuff just to introduce myself and posted a topic about how to make money, legally, white hat, nothing to buy or rent or whatsoever, proven by myself and not even promising thousands in no time… got banned for scamming, don’t even thing I received an answer at the topic last about 2 hours

    TP: don’t know nothing about it, so can’t really say

    DP: The funniest bunch of people who though they could make something big but did a complete reverse of what you can call a success story. First discrimate millions by telling them that they are third world type of traffic and kicking true investors and business people out because they don’t agree with their point of view as a result, a drop of 50% of thei traffic in 6 month. DP tried to kick scammers out of their forum and end up with junk traffic and low quality posters.

    At the end of the day, it’s a bit like competing against the big boys on google adwords, there is no point trying to work your a** off on these forum thinking you will try to get something out of it and I d rather go along smallest forum where people are getting fed up with those big boys and really seeks something on internet, just getting fed up of all these lies.

    • November 11th, 2013 at 10:16 am

      Wise words – thats why I like TrafficPlanet :)

  40. 11.4.2013

    I had no idea of either of 3 just before reading this article i had joined warriors forum while other now i will try.

    Thanks alot for this information!.

    one question for you where the signature link appears in warrior forum i didn’t find any?

    • November 5th, 2013 at 10:28 am

      You have to pay to be part of the war room to get signatures on WarriorForum. But thats the worst forum, stick with BlackHatWorld & TrafficPlanet

  41. 11.13.2013

    I felt Blackhatworld is nice one. i agree with mixerdj.

  42. 2.16.2014

    I am using all these, it is amazing to be there :)

  43. 3.6.2014

    Didnt know you were banned from Warriorforum. The first time i read few of your posts there i wasnt really impressed, i thought you were kind of a spammer instead. :p But since then i’ve seen tons of valuable posts from you, especially the tiered link building strategy was amazing. Keep up the good work Matt!

    • March 6th, 2014 at 7:58 am

      Yeah unfortunately it become not worthwhile posting on warrior forum. I used to write detailed threads/replies but they just get deleted, admins prefer you pay for a WSO to share anything of any kind of value to any one.

  44. 3.12.2014

    Members from the BHW keep talking about scams on the WF, but the WF has a lot of reliable sellers who create good tools as well. It’s not just an MMO forum.

    BHW members bashing the WF is common and your frequent use of expletives make all of you sound juvenile. Most of you buy nothing and are just a bunch of worthless freeloaders. You won’t see much bashing of the BHW from WF members, however, as they are obviously more mature and busy making money to care about you guys at all.

    Making a comparison of the WF to BHW is like making a comparison of the USA to Nigeria, respectively. lol

    • March 13th, 2014 at 10:29 am

      I agree there are some gems on the warriorforum at times, BUT 99% of it is complete and utter junk fleecing people.

      Combine that with the fact that admins are actively removing negative reviews from WSO’s, even when they are substantiated with evidence to protect the WSO sellers and their own income stream – well, yeah.

  45. 3.20.2014

    Come on!!!! It is what it is…. we both know that all this is just a crock in order to make money. If it be We or you, we do it all in the name of money.
    Otherwise, you would be on the beach somewhere, not giving a s*** about anything…

    Let’s get real…. we’ll have Russia to deal with soon enough, so hurry and get your thrills….

    Want to argue about it? Bring it! It is just a matter of time my friend… I suggest we unite..

    • March 20th, 2014 at 7:36 am

      Well not everything is about money, this blog isn’t about money for example.

      Although I will be living on a beach somewhere not giving a s*** in 5 weeks.

      Russia is Amercias problem :P

  46. alvingra
    4.23.2014

    hello anyone have any comment on these two paid forums
    ppc-coach vs smackthatmoney

    • April 25th, 2014 at 1:07 pm

      I tried PPC coach a while back, not worth the money! Not even close!

  47. 4.28.2014

    Great post! I like using BlackHatWorld.

    • April 29th, 2014 at 10:13 am

      Are you going to the conference in November? I’ll be there!

  48. 5.3.2014

    In your opinion, what would be the best internet marketing forum to sell a Lifetime license of SENuke XCR on?

    • May 3rd, 2014 at 10:43 pm

      Probably BHW

      • Superdevo
        May 4th, 2014 at 1:17 am

        Sweet …thanks Matt! Would Wickedfire or digitalpoint be even better for that?

  49. 6.11.2014

    Wow, that’s total c***…WF deleted a lot of your posts and threads!

    I’ve used WF to find a lot of newbies that needed help, I don’t think it’s dead for getting SEO clients. Just my opinion.

    BTF, or Bring The Fresh is another paid forum that you can get traffic from.

    That’s hilarious that you’re banned from Wicked Fire, I once clicked on a link in there and it uploaded a “naughty picture” that would bounce around my screen and I couldn’t close it. Talk about juvenile. But a lot of those guys do know their stuff.

    • June 13th, 2014 at 10:44 pm

      Yeah it’s a shame they did that but it does devalue their precious WSO market

  50. 6.23.2014

    Yeah at BHW- I bought several services in there – and came back always to buy more but the admin blocked me out from accessing the sitemap where they have sizable free downloads which I like. Asked the admin why and they didn’t tell me- I didn’t like that and I feel at least telling people why – I never like that kind of authority BS especially I came there to buy mostly. So now they lost me as customers as why would I give money to a forum that run by such a huge egotist?????

  51. 7.30.2014

    Very Useful Post, Also i read many comments on your post, Really thanks for these informative comments. i found WF many times full of lies and scams WSOs. My next move to BHW and TP. Thanks Matt :)

    • August 4th, 2014 at 12:09 pm

      No worrys :) But you’ll find lies/scams on every forum

  52. 9.23.2014

    “Actually its called ODBD – obssesive dream buying disorder.”

    I affectionately refer to them as Reality-Challenged ;)

    Brent

    • September 24th, 2014 at 2:14 pm

      I think both exist, one for SEO focused and one for MMO focused

  53. 9.26.2014

    The best one is blackhatworld

  54. Mike Nate
    10.17.2014

    I think blackhatworld wins based on SEO techniques & knowledge spread around in the forum but on other hand warrior forum is the place to get new knowledge & services to help you to learn & try quickly then others ……

    Haven’t heard about traffic planet yet but will check it out soon . Great comparison though …..

    love it ….

  55. 2.22.2015

    I guess I’m one of those newbs still using Warriorforum… Honestly, I avoided Blackhatworld because of the name and also because I thought that’s where all the lazy folks on a low budget would gather to share black hat techniques and take the easy way out to gain website traffic. Now I’m encouraged to setup an account.

  56. 2.24.2015

    Call a spade a spade….Black hat anything is a freaking den of thieves and you all know it. Ever created a product? They view it as a freebie and it would not matter if you spent 10s of thousands to have it developed.

    Take someone like Pat Flynn who is one of the most generous guys on the planet..he got hacked and we all know from who…your black hat buddies!

    They will steal from you from me and their own grand moms.

    They do not want to see you make a buck…they just want to steal anything you create so THEY CAN MAKE A BUCK.

    What is funny is that now there is another thief that uses all the blackhat forum names in his domains and steals their traffic.

    Yes they know their stuff and they use it to steal, scrape and exploit…plain and simple.

    Real.

    • February 24th, 2015 at 9:21 am

      Hi,

      How is your free product reference any different than music/movie piracy? Something that has become a global issue – you can’t use ‘black hats’ as an example there.

      The behaviour you describe has been rampant throughout human history, the only thing that has changed is the vehicle.

      • February 25th, 2015 at 5:23 am

        Hey Matt, I like any blog that keeps it real. Kudos.

        I was reading the story of the guy who had a 2 or one letter twitter account and got extorted and robbed of it….thats internet marketing? I was building a website for a guy who told me he recently was chatting to a guy on webcam and the guy cut his own throat….when I finally got the details the guy I was working with had stolen the other guys popular Instagram account. This is the world of “Marketing” we live in….its a B****. Just imagine the newbies.

        • February 25th, 2015 at 11:06 am

          Hi,

          Well that is just plain old theft and extortotion just the modern day equivelanat. I don’t synonymise that with ‘black hat’

          Black hat to me is just finding shortcuts/automating/hacking ways of doing things (hacking as in that actual definition of hacking, not the commonly misconcenived definition promoted by mass media).

          For example setting up a linux box that automatically finds domains, registers them, sets up hosting, generates websites, redeems adwords/bings vochers and sets up the campaigns on complete auto pilot.

          That, is black hat for me.

          • June 12th, 2015 at 2:32 am

            “For example setting up a linux box that automatically finds domains, registers them, sets up hosting, generates websites, redeems adwords/bings vochers and sets up the campaigns on complete auto pilot.”

            Any tutorials you have about this? That sounds neat.
            WSOs can be total junk. I have bought a few duds, but also a decent amount of winners. It’s true that the IM world is a total minefield. I also sympathize with the poster about his product being ripped and openly distributed on BHW. That really sucks, and I would be p***** if it happened to me.

          • June 12th, 2015 at 9:56 am

            You won’t find anything like that on a forum, that’s pure scripting genius at play – easy for anyone that is a devil on the command line

  57. 2.24.2015

    BTW…..just saw this…..not sure if its a 2 week time out or perm. :)

    Alexa Smith
    Banned
    War Room Member

    Join Date: 2008
    Posts: 27,681
    Thanks: 18,729
    Thanked 25,410 Times in 12,693 Posts

  58. 2.28.2015

    Hi Matt
    The Warrior forum has the highest number of con men for sure and they are like wolves they all work together and prey on the gullible or desperate newbies.
    It is full of moral less pieces of c*** and dream snatchers who would rob your granny if they could.
    Regular turds from WF are………………
    Treble guarantee
    See you on the other side
    No fluff
    The mods on BHW would not put up with such BS.

  59. 2.28.2015

    Just an FYI the comments were off on another thread where you included a pic of Pres. Obama with beer cup and the words he was too busy helping people on welfare….well way to alienate some folks….and here is some facts to go with your subtle racism…kicked any black guys off trains lately?
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/28/food-stamp-demographics_n_6771938.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

    • February 28th, 2015 at 4:05 pm

      Actually that was in this post http://www.matthewwoodward.co.uk/tutorials/how-i-built-a-top-100-blog-in-12-months/ saying ‘work harder, millions on welfare depend on you’.

      The fact that you make the separation between ‘guys’ and ‘black guys’ along with your own association of ‘welfare’ and ‘black guys’ is one of the great ironys of ‘anti racists’. You understand that regardless of whether you are for or against racism, making that separation makes you racist regardless?

      I often see Obama referred to as the first black president & how wonderful it is by those with an anti-racist mindset. Yet still call him a ‘black president’.

      So yes there is a picture of a president telling you to ‘work harder, millions on welfare depend on you’ – that is true in many first world countries including the UK but we just have a prime minister.

  60. C.
    3.25.2015

    BHW is fantastic. But recently, there is one place i appreciate even more: it is called matthewwoodward.co.uk…

  61. Jim
    7.9.2015

    Another great post Matt. Thanks so much!!!

    Do you know you juts save me from committing to a lousy SEO service on Warrior Forum? I cancelled few hours ago.

    I used to think the bad guys are those selling eBooks and the likes. I thought some of the SEO services are great but this article is making think twice.

    Though I used a SEO service by a guy called Maulana few months ago and seems to like it. But now… my mind is racing… was it really good?

    Matt a question for you: Can you share your SEO experience on Warrior, BHW and TP? Which of the service you consider legit?

    • July 9th, 2015 at 5:57 pm

      Just build your own private blog network and cut out the hassle

  62. 8.7.2015

    Well this is good for a new forum like mine. I will start with one of them, and later pay more attention to others. But I am not interested in WF, it is not good for me.

  63. iacopo
    9.7.2015

    Thanks Matthew, but The Best Black Hat Forum ? I find a lot of reviews and tips very interesting

    • September 7th, 2015 at 12:36 pm

      BlackHatWorld of course :)

      • iacopo
        September 8th, 2015 at 4:56 am

        No ! bestblackhatforum.com :)

  64. 9.10.2015

    Great analysis you have here Matthew.

    I also started with Warriorforum and later discovered BHW.

    Now i am spending more time at Blackhatworld than any other IM forum.

    Although there are very few promising WSOs in Warrior forum, but i would advice anyone wanting a guide to make money online particularly newbies to pay more attention to Blackhatworld.

    Why? The simple reason is BHW have a section of the forum call IM Journey, this is the place where members are documenting how they are making money using specific method(s).

    In my opinion this is better than buying a WSO which is promising you heaven and earth.

    • September 10th, 2015 at 10:13 am

      Yes there are some great journey threads in that forum, along with one of my own :)

  65. Poke_me
    10.10.2015

    Very detailed information, thanks. I’ve only used warrior forum so far.

  66. Ian Hamshaw
    3.16.2016

    Great post as always.

    The Apex forum operated by the WordAI guys is a new SEO forum so it is small and not full of BS (yet) there are lots of noobs hacking away at their own case studies and some bigger players throwing their mustard on the sandwich.

    Currently I prefer it the bigger forums, but that does not discount what is laid out in this article.

    Ps. How the F**K do I sign in on this site?

  67. 5.22.2016

    very good informative post….

  68. 5.26.2016

    In my opinion. the forum above is quite different from my point of view.

    If you want instant and have a lot of money, I recommend Blackhatworld.

    If you want to argue, go to the warriorforum.

    If you want to learn and get something new. I recommend TrafficPlanet.

  69. Avneet
    6.8.2016

    How are you able to record that much data. Any particular tool

  70. 6.22.2016

    Black Hat World is really a great forum, though i was member since 8 years , i was perma ban due to my silly mistake. I still like BHW, it rocks

    • July 7th, 2016 at 10:53 am

      Hahaha what did you do?

      • pvtawar
        July 7th, 2016 at 12:00 pm

        Without reading forum rules I posted a Giveaway 100 free .xyz domains to users. To do so they need to registered on my site, so I could make it free. In that process user need to provide mail I’d, which is not allowed on BHW. after 25 domains my accn with BHW banned. I requested them many times, but told II broke the terms and rules and can’t be unbanned. But its seems to be good rule is rule. Hoping to get my accn back in future

        • July 12th, 2016 at 11:49 am

          Ohhhh I see, you should just attend the next conference and bribe them with alcohol :P

  71. 7.26.2016

    Blackhat world is populated by those who think there is a magic hack for everything, the attitude there is almost completely opposite to the ambition for building a sustainable, ethical business – people who do not have the patience, or skills to persist (I can feel the flames from here) The Warrior Forum is exasperating, it is like a Purgatory where the wailing and gnashing of teeth from the tortured souls is deafening, and the same questions get asked every day :) For the sincere operator there is no ‘good’ forum currently available, they are all like dentist waiting rooms! Which is why blogs such as yours are a blessing Matthew.

    • July 27th, 2016 at 11:18 am

      Thanks Michael :) Although I like the sentiment of both forums as there is always more than 1 way to skin a cat.

      When I attended the BHW conference there was a high high high level of SEO knowledge on display

      • July 27th, 2016 at 6:57 pm

        Perhaps I am being a little cynical Matthew! If you say there is good information there then I accept that, I will give it another look :) We need all the good guys to maybe form an alternative to what is out there, I’m certain it would be popular..food for thought.

        • July 28th, 2016 at 3:33 pm

          Don’t get me wrong, there is an awful lot of junk on both forums – but there are also lots of knowledgeable people that share some awesome golden nuggets!

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